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		<title>By: Mr. Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many theories on WHO and/or WHY JFK was murdered in broad daylight; clearly done to send a message....delivered by a well organized group of evil murderous men.

No....I do NOT think Oswald killed JFK: The Zapruder film alone proves that one.

Some people wanted JFK killed for some pretty logical reasons. Somewhere in all those theories, the truth has been uncovered---getting the archived hard copy proof, on the other hand, might never happen.

Of all the theories on JFK&#039;s murder, this one I heard recently holds some merit:

Before the CIA came to be what it today is, likely during the FDR Administration, the fledgling new band of American &quot;patriot&quot; spies formed plans of action based on theorized certain scenarios that carried threat potential to American National Security.

Once these &quot;black bag&quot; operations were &quot;activated&quot;---there was NO &quot;stand down&quot; order, meaning one way or another---the &quot;target&quot; WOULD be &quot;hit&quot; and &quot;taken down&quot;.

And one such &quot;plan of action&quot; waited activation IF it ever was found that a U.S. President carried Socialist/Communist patriotic beliefs.  Keep in mind, THIS was a SERIOUSLY feared possible event given serious consideration.

It&#039;s contended that legendary FBI director J. Edgar Hoover ( later proven not only to be a paranoid tyrant, but a REAL gay transvestite ), purportedly had hard copy evidence that JFK was discreetly communicating with USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev---laying out early peace plans, a detente---way before such came to be during Reagan&#039;s presidency!!

Hoover twisted facts---and convinced the politically empowered that America had a VERY REAL and potentially dangerous problem with JFK.  And so the &quot;plan of action&quot; was voted on activation......

.....and we all know what happened after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many theories on WHO and/or WHY JFK was murdered in broad daylight; clearly done to send a message&#8230;.delivered by a well organized group of evil murderous men.</p>
<p>No&#8230;.I do NOT think Oswald killed JFK: The Zapruder film alone proves that one.</p>
<p>Some people wanted JFK killed for some pretty logical reasons. Somewhere in all those theories, the truth has been uncovered&#8212;getting the archived hard copy proof, on the other hand, might never happen.</p>
<p>Of all the theories on JFK&#8217;s murder, this one I heard recently holds some merit:</p>
<p>Before the CIA came to be what it today is, likely during the FDR Administration, the fledgling new band of American &#8220;patriot&#8221; spies formed plans of action based on theorized certain scenarios that carried threat potential to American National Security.</p>
<p>Once these &#8220;black bag&#8221; operations were &#8220;activated&#8221;&#8212;there was NO &#8220;stand down&#8221; order, meaning one way or another&#8212;the &#8220;target&#8221; WOULD be &#8220;hit&#8221; and &#8220;taken down&#8221;.</p>
<p>And one such &#8220;plan of action&#8221; waited activation IF it ever was found that a U.S. President carried Socialist/Communist patriotic beliefs.  Keep in mind, THIS was a SERIOUSLY feared possible event given serious consideration.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s contended that legendary FBI director J. Edgar Hoover ( later proven not only to be a paranoid tyrant, but a REAL gay transvestite ), purportedly had hard copy evidence that JFK was discreetly communicating with USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev&#8212;laying out early peace plans, a detente&#8212;way before such came to be during Reagan&#8217;s presidency!!</p>
<p>Hoover twisted facts&#8212;and convinced the politically empowered that America had a VERY REAL and potentially dangerous problem with JFK.  And so the &#8220;plan of action&#8221; was voted on activation&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;..and we all know what happened after that.</p>
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		<title>By: JBF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, you need to work on your understanding of what the word &quot;evidence&quot; means.  

Because someone or something has done something before is not evidence they did something else.  The Reichstag, Operation Northwoods (which importantly was never more than a piece of paper) and all of the rest of it are not evidence the government did 9/11.  Go ahead, take that into a courtroom and see how far it gets you.

Some Washington think-tank nobody has ever heard of making a statement is also not evidence.  Lot&#039;s of old Cold Warriors were upset about the decline of the American military in the post-Cold War 90&#039;s and were vocal about it?  So did they all plan 9/11?  And besides, a 9/11 type event would not and did not result in the sort of rebuilding of America&#039;s defense infrastructure these folks were pining for.

As for &quot;overwhelming scientific evidence&quot; the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition, where exactly is this evidence?  Besides the NIST building performance reports and the Perdue University animation there are now more than 100 (that&#039;s ONE HUNDRED) papers written by physicists and engineers in widely read, cited and respected peer-reviewed engineering and physics journals supporting the natural collapse of these buildings.

There are ZERO papers written by ZERO engineers or physicists in ZERO respected peer-reviewed professional journals supporting any type of controlled demolition.  The closest you folks can get is one paper printed in a pay-to-publish journal that nobody reads written by people working outside their fields of expertise and using test procedures not accepted by the industry to make a dubious claim of the presence of explosive residue in WTC debris samples.  This group also refuses to release any of its samples for independent testing - a massive violation of basic scientific procedure.

So I ask again, where is all of this overwhelming scientific evidence because if it exists it isn&#039;t being presented to other scientists and professionals who are in a position to judge its validity?

As a point of fact BTW the WTC twin towers were never designed to withstand aircraft impacts.  Engineers at the time did theoretical studies that indicated they would withstand the initial impact of a single Boeing 707 aircraft but these studies did not account for subsequent fires and the removal of fireproofing from critical structures by the impact.  The buildings actually performed as designed and withstood impacts of larger, faster aircraft.  It was the subsequent damage from fire which did the Twin Towers in.

Also, in the 10 years prior to 9/11 only ONE domestic flight was intercepted by NORAD.  That was the aircraft carrying pro-Golfer Paine Stewart and that interception took 72 minutes.  On 9/11 NORAD had 9 minutes warning of the first aircraft before it hit, 0 minutes on the second and the other two had already crashed before they were told of the hijacks by the FAA.  

A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 &amp; 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint by Brent Blanchard
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

Implosion World, the explosive demolition industry’s worldwide source for news and information on building implosions, blowdowns and all other types of structural blasting projects.  and its page regarding the World Trade Center and 9/11.

http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, you need to work on your understanding of what the word &#8220;evidence&#8221; means.  </p>
<p>Because someone or something has done something before is not evidence they did something else.  The Reichstag, Operation Northwoods (which importantly was never more than a piece of paper) and all of the rest of it are not evidence the government did 9/11.  Go ahead, take that into a courtroom and see how far it gets you.</p>
<p>Some Washington think-tank nobody has ever heard of making a statement is also not evidence.  Lot&#8217;s of old Cold Warriors were upset about the decline of the American military in the post-Cold War 90&#8242;s and were vocal about it?  So did they all plan 9/11?  And besides, a 9/11 type event would not and did not result in the sort of rebuilding of America&#8217;s defense infrastructure these folks were pining for.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;overwhelming scientific evidence&#8221; the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition, where exactly is this evidence?  Besides the NIST building performance reports and the Perdue University animation there are now more than 100 (that&#8217;s ONE HUNDRED) papers written by physicists and engineers in widely read, cited and respected peer-reviewed engineering and physics journals supporting the natural collapse of these buildings.</p>
<p>There are ZERO papers written by ZERO engineers or physicists in ZERO respected peer-reviewed professional journals supporting any type of controlled demolition.  The closest you folks can get is one paper printed in a pay-to-publish journal that nobody reads written by people working outside their fields of expertise and using test procedures not accepted by the industry to make a dubious claim of the presence of explosive residue in WTC debris samples.  This group also refuses to release any of its samples for independent testing &#8211; a massive violation of basic scientific procedure.</p>
<p>So I ask again, where is all of this overwhelming scientific evidence because if it exists it isn&#8217;t being presented to other scientists and professionals who are in a position to judge its validity?</p>
<p>As a point of fact BTW the WTC twin towers were never designed to withstand aircraft impacts.  Engineers at the time did theoretical studies that indicated they would withstand the initial impact of a single Boeing 707 aircraft but these studies did not account for subsequent fires and the removal of fireproofing from critical structures by the impact.  The buildings actually performed as designed and withstood impacts of larger, faster aircraft.  It was the subsequent damage from fire which did the Twin Towers in.</p>
<p>Also, in the 10 years prior to 9/11 only ONE domestic flight was intercepted by NORAD.  That was the aircraft carrying pro-Golfer Paine Stewart and that interception took 72 minutes.  On 9/11 NORAD had 9 minutes warning of the first aircraft before it hit, 0 minutes on the second and the other two had already crashed before they were told of the hijacks by the FAA.  </p>
<p>A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 &#038; 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint by Brent Blanchard<br />
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf</p>
<p>Implosion World, the explosive demolition industry’s worldwide source for news and information on building implosions, blowdowns and all other types of structural blasting projects.  and its page regarding the World Trade Center and 9/11.</p>
<p>http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can a conspiracy be &quot;logical&quot;? A conspiracy is when 2 or more people conspire to do something, such as rob a bank. A conspiracy THEORY is a theory about the possibility of such a conspiracy.

The only &quot;insane 9/11 theory&quot; I can think of is the theory that 19 muslims with boxcutters evaded the world&#039;s most expensive air defense system for hours and brought down three buildings with two planes. However, the theory that the US government was involved in 9/11 is backed by an overwhelming amount of evidence, which you have just not bothered to look at.

Governments throughout history have conducted false flag operations
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag)… i.e. fabricating or staging attacks on themselves or their own populations in order to blame them on a foreign enemy and then use that as an excuse to achieve their goals.

In 1933, Hitler burned down his own Reichstag (parliament building), blamed it on communist insurgents, and used this as an excuse to suspend all civil liberties and essentially come to power as a dictator. In 1939 the Nazis staged an attack on their own radio station and dumped dead prisoners on the scene dressed in Polish uniforms to blame the attacks on Polish insurgents. They used this to justify the invasion of Poland which started World War II.

The U.S. has also been involved in false flag terrorism. The CIA was involved in Operation Gladio, a campaign of false flag terrorism which ran during the 1960s-80s in Europe, and involved intelligence agencies funding and supporting extreme right-wing terrorist groups, as well as committing massacres, shootings, assassinations and acts of terror all across Europe, such as in countries like Italy, in order to blame it on the government&#039;s political enemies at the time (communists) and sow fear among the public.

Operation Northwoods was a plan (now declassified) for an elaborate false flag operation which was approved by all the joint chiefs of staff in 1962, but turned down by JFK. It involved hijacking and blowing up airliners, sinking ships full of people, conducting bombings and killing American citizens, all with the purpose of blaming it on Cuba and using it as an excuse to invade Cuba.

In September of 2000, the Project for a New American Century, a think tank made up of many future members of the Bush administration, released it&#039;s report titled &quot;Rebuilding America&#039;s Defences&quot;, which called for the use of military force to expand American imperialism and gain control of regions such as the middle east. They then say that attaining these goals will be difficult, &quot;absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor&quot;.

Overwhelming scientific evidence shows that the twin towers and WTC 7 (the third building to come down on 9/11) were brought down by controlled demolition. The controlled demolition theory is supported by over 1,600 Architects &amp; Engineers as well as thousands of other scientists.

The collapses of the twin towers and WTC 7 feature all the characteristics of controlled demolition and none of the characteristics of a natural, gravitational collapse from fires. The towers were designed, according to the engineers who built them, to withstand MULTIPLE 707 impacts, yet on 9/11 they fell at near-freefall speed in an explosive manner that could not possibly have been caused by fires. At 5:20 PM on 9/11, Building 7 fell at complete freefall acceleration, which is impossible in a natural collapse without the involvement of controlled demolition.

An international team of scientists found explosives (nanothermite) in the dust from ground zero, and they have published a peer-reviewed paper documenting the evidence of this. Nanothermite is a very high-tech powerful incendiary which can only be manufactured in sophisticated laboratories and not in caves in Afghanistan. It is more silent than conventional explosives and can cut through steel like butter. Multiple byproducts of nanothermite (iron microspheres, molten iron) have also been found at ground zero by multiple independent organizations and scientists.

NORAD, the US air defense agency, routinely sends out jets to intercept errant airliners within minutes. On 9/11, they let four hijacked planes fly around in American airspace for hours without intercepting them, in a spectacular and total &quot;failure&quot; of the command chain.
Evidence is everywhere showing that the US recieved countless warnings about 9/11 from governments and intelligence agencies but not only did they not act, they did everything possible to prevent and obstruct the FBI from investigating or apprehending the hijackers when they were in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a conspiracy be &#8220;logical&#8221;? A conspiracy is when 2 or more people conspire to do something, such as rob a bank. A conspiracy THEORY is a theory about the possibility of such a conspiracy.</p>
<p>The only &#8220;insane 9/11 theory&#8221; I can think of is the theory that 19 muslims with boxcutters evaded the world&#8217;s most expensive air defense system for hours and brought down three buildings with two planes. However, the theory that the US government was involved in 9/11 is backed by an overwhelming amount of evidence, which you have just not bothered to look at.</p>
<p>Governments throughout history have conducted false flag operations<br />
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag)… i.e. fabricating or staging attacks on themselves or their own populations in order to blame them on a foreign enemy and then use that as an excuse to achieve their goals.</p>
<p>In 1933, Hitler burned down his own Reichstag (parliament building), blamed it on communist insurgents, and used this as an excuse to suspend all civil liberties and essentially come to power as a dictator. In 1939 the Nazis staged an attack on their own radio station and dumped dead prisoners on the scene dressed in Polish uniforms to blame the attacks on Polish insurgents. They used this to justify the invasion of Poland which started World War II.</p>
<p>The U.S. has also been involved in false flag terrorism. The CIA was involved in Operation Gladio, a campaign of false flag terrorism which ran during the 1960s-80s in Europe, and involved intelligence agencies funding and supporting extreme right-wing terrorist groups, as well as committing massacres, shootings, assassinations and acts of terror all across Europe, such as in countries like Italy, in order to blame it on the government&#8217;s political enemies at the time (communists) and sow fear among the public.</p>
<p>Operation Northwoods was a plan (now declassified) for an elaborate false flag operation which was approved by all the joint chiefs of staff in 1962, but turned down by JFK. It involved hijacking and blowing up airliners, sinking ships full of people, conducting bombings and killing American citizens, all with the purpose of blaming it on Cuba and using it as an excuse to invade Cuba.</p>
<p>In September of 2000, the Project for a New American Century, a think tank made up of many future members of the Bush administration, released it&#8217;s report titled &#8220;Rebuilding America&#8217;s Defences&#8221;, which called for the use of military force to expand American imperialism and gain control of regions such as the middle east. They then say that attaining these goals will be difficult, &#8220;absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor&#8221;.</p>
<p>Overwhelming scientific evidence shows that the twin towers and WTC 7 (the third building to come down on 9/11) were brought down by controlled demolition. The controlled demolition theory is supported by over 1,600 Architects &#038; Engineers as well as thousands of other scientists.</p>
<p>The collapses of the twin towers and WTC 7 feature all the characteristics of controlled demolition and none of the characteristics of a natural, gravitational collapse from fires. The towers were designed, according to the engineers who built them, to withstand MULTIPLE 707 impacts, yet on 9/11 they fell at near-freefall speed in an explosive manner that could not possibly have been caused by fires. At 5:20 PM on 9/11, Building 7 fell at complete freefall acceleration, which is impossible in a natural collapse without the involvement of controlled demolition.</p>
<p>An international team of scientists found explosives (nanothermite) in the dust from ground zero, and they have published a peer-reviewed paper documenting the evidence of this. Nanothermite is a very high-tech powerful incendiary which can only be manufactured in sophisticated laboratories and not in caves in Afghanistan. It is more silent than conventional explosives and can cut through steel like butter. Multiple byproducts of nanothermite (iron microspheres, molten iron) have also been found at ground zero by multiple independent organizations and scientists.</p>
<p>NORAD, the US air defense agency, routinely sends out jets to intercept errant airliners within minutes. On 9/11, they let four hijacked planes fly around in American airspace for hours without intercepting them, in a spectacular and total &#8220;failure&#8221; of the command chain.<br />
Evidence is everywhere showing that the US recieved countless warnings about 9/11 from governments and intelligence agencies but not only did they not act, they did everything possible to prevent and obstruct the FBI from investigating or apprehending the hijackers when they were in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which JFK Conspiracy?  There are dozens, each as with all conspiracy theories with holes in it large enough to fly a jumbo-jet through - not that this does anything to disuade the true believers.

Similarly, there are at least 60 distinct and equally insane 9/11 conspiracy theory each with various offshoots so it would help to know which insane 9/11 theory you are referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which JFK Conspiracy?  There are dozens, each as with all conspiracy theories with holes in it large enough to fly a jumbo-jet through &#8211; not that this does anything to disuade the true believers.</p>
<p>Similarly, there are at least 60 distinct and equally insane 9/11 conspiracy theory each with various offshoots so it would help to know which insane 9/11 theory you are referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things were not tense when JFK was killed, most the troubles of the 1960&#039;s came later and people at the time did not think it was a conspiracy. The most plausible was the one about  MLK. But all conspiracy that claim  government involvement are not believable (they are not that clever and can&#039;t keep secrets) and it really does not matter whether one person  killed them  or 3 or even 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things were not tense when JFK was killed, most the troubles of the 1960&#8242;s came later and people at the time did not think it was a conspiracy. The most plausible was the one about  MLK. But all conspiracy that claim  government involvement are not believable (they are not that clever and can&#8217;t keep secrets) and it really does not matter whether one person  killed them  or 3 or even 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I shouted out, &#039;Who shot the Kennedys?&#039; when after all it was you and me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I shouted out, &#8216;Who shot the Kennedys?&#8217; when after all it was you and me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JFK was killed for the defense of our federal reserve, 9/11 was not an attack on our &quot;freedom&quot; and it is still not possible to send human beings outside our magnetosphere without being fried by radiation and therefore no human being has been to the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JFK was killed for the defense of our federal reserve, 9/11 was not an attack on our &#8220;freedom&#8221; and it is still not possible to send human beings outside our magnetosphere without being fried by radiation and therefore no human being has been to the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: nasty</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha
funny way to qualify nonsense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha<br />
funny way to qualify nonsense</p>
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