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2012 Skeptics: Do you find it at least interesting that there are so many converging predictions for 2012?
There is just such a big, long list of predictions for this year, and for the date of December 21, 2012.
Many of these prophecies seem to be related.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon
You have to admit that the number of prophecies and predictions for this year makes it unlike other “doomsday” events.
Answer by quasar
IM SCARED .
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN
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If I get myself and some of my friends to say that in 2011 that everyone’s gonna die, does that make it true? I guess it does if i get millions of people to talk about it
It is very interesting, I’ve read about everything to do with it lol
On December 25, 2009, a planet will hit Earth.
On December 25, 2009, a Bible will catch on fire and set the planet ablaze.
On December 25, 2009, the Sun will become a cube instead of a sphere.
On December 25, 2009, the Moon will cause gigantic tides that will wipe out all coasts.
There, you now have 4 predictions that converge on Dec. 25, 2009.
Of course, they are fake, I just made them up. But then, all the 2012 predictions were also all made up recently, so what is the difference?
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During the Summer of 2003, charlatans decided to create the Big 2012 Hoax (although they did not call it that). Their purpose was to make money selling books on how to survive and survival kits.
A lot of other hoaxers got onto the same bandwagon, when they saw it was getting popular.
The Big 2012 Hoax was created by bringing together many minor hoaxes, lies and stories. Most of them had not originally been written for 2012, but with a bit of tweaking, they were all changed to create an artificial “convergence” to 2012.
A few example:
Planet X: invented for the end-of-the-world of May-June 2003. Its passage close to Earth was going to cause global tsunamis, crust shifts, pole flips, etc. The same charlatans made lots of money selling books on how to survive. So much that they needed to recycle their hoax (that is why they created the one for 2012). The Planet X story is what Roland used in his movie “2012″
Nibiru: a fictitious planet created for a story written in the 1960s. In the original story, Nibiru cannot return before the year 2085 and when it does return, it cannot harm Earth.
The end-of-the-Mayan calendar is a lie invented in the late 1980s by a dude claiming to be a reincarnated Mayan priest. He is not — he was born in Minnesota. When he first came out with this lie, he had picked a date in 2011. It is only after real experts told him how wrong his “interpretation” of the calendar was, that he changed his date to one when the real Mayan calendar passes a round figure (it does so every 394 1/4 year).
Still, this dude did not associate the end-of-the-calendar with the end-of-the-world. That was done by the charlatans when they added this lie to the Big 2012 Hoax.
The alignment doomsday predictions had been invented for the planetary alignment of 1999.
The Bible Code was a “computer challenge” published in 1994. The idea was to use computers to look for “equidistant letter sequences” in long texts (the Bible was given as the prime example). For example, use every tenth letter.
The game itself is not new (even Isaac Newton played it — without a computer, of course).
The Bible Code was used to predict the “Rapture” of September 1999, and the Third World War (to begin in 2000 and to end in a Final Nuclear Holocaust in 2006).
And so on.
The only reason all these lies now “converge” is because the charlatans simply changed the dates on all of them.
No. I find all the groundless garbage dragged together, from various directions, to be equally boring. It’s no surprise whatsoever, that a page of groundless garbage suggested for the year 2012, should contain groundless garbage pertaining to the year 2012. A clue to that is provided by the year mentioned in the title.
Should you decide to visit a rubbish tip, then I predict you’ll find rubbish there.
No, I don’t find that interesting at all. I see it as a simple case of people trying to confirm their own superstitions. Just like every other time the world was supposed to end, or the rapture to happen, or whatever.
What I find interesting is how much energy this hoax is maintaining. YouTube, the History Channel, and now the movie by Sony Pictures are all fueling the hoax for financial gain, and it is interesting that no matter how many times the “science” behind it is debunked, it just keeps on truckin’.
NASA has tried. Scientists in general have tried. Non-scientists with a good understanding of science have tried. All to no avail.
It is interesting that despite all this rational discussion, people cling to blatantly false logic, and false science, so that they can either legitimately be excited about something, or so they can deliberately mislead the young or the gullible for their own nefarious purposes.
The plain truth is that this hoax does not stand up to any scientific scrutiny whatsoever.
I do not. It is extremely innacurate to say that many prophecies converge on 2012. The cycle of the Maya calendar ends on 12-21-2012, and all the other prophecies are simply based on that date.
The Maya did not make any predictions for 2012. They just had a calendar to keep track of time, and arbitrarily set the beginning point 3000 years in their past and the end point 2000 years in their future. At the end of the cycle (2012), the calendar just rolls back to zero like an odometer, and one inscription says that a God may descend to Earth at that time.
New Age prophecies about awakening conciousness or destruction are not based on anything, they just take the Maya date and attach significance to it. The I Ching makes no sense, and the guy who came up with it intentionally changed his calculations so that it would match up with the Maya date. Galactic alignment, geomagnetic reversal, and other ideas are all just things that people made up and then attached to the Maya 2012 date because it already existed.
So in conclusion, I do not see any prophecies converging around the 2012 date. I see that the Maya cycle turns over on that date (which is not a prophecy, its just how the calendar works), and a bunch of crazy ideas that are just borrowing the Maya date instead of predicting any date themselves.
1. Mayan Calendaer
The Mayan calendar ends on Dec 21, 2012 and RESTARTS on Dec 22, 2012.
2. New Age Theories
New Age Theories? Are you kidding me?
3. Geomagnetic Reversal
Geomagnetic Reversal is only just in its early stages. It won’t actually occur until hundreds or even thousands of years from now. Plus, Geomagnetic Reversal has occurred many, many times in the history of this planet. It’s in the gelogic record. And, just that fact that a record of it is still there means that it has never caused a planet-wide catastrophy.
4. Planet Nibiru
Again, are you kidding me? Nibiru has been disproven.
5. Galactic (Black Hole) Alignment
Even the Wikipedia article you cite says: “Apart from the fact noted above that the ‘galactic alignment’ predicted by Jenkins already happened in 1998, the Sun’s apparent path through the zodiac as seen from Earth does not take it near the true galactic center, but rather several degrees above it. Even if this were not the case, Sgr A* is 30,000 light years from Earth, and would have to be more than 6 million times closer to cause any gravitational disruption to our Solar System.”
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No.
This is a “pile on” effect. Originally there was just one prediction, the end of the Mayan calendar cycle. Then all the crazies in the world decided to get on the bandwagon, and tailored their “predictions” to fit the 2012 December 21 date. Twenty nonsensical “predictions” doe not make a fact!
here are a few theories, none of which hold any scientific basis, or are overdramatized, or are real, but harmless
Geomagnetic Reversal- As i’ve said in many many many of my other answers, they dont switch overnight, they take thousands of years, about 500,000 to be precise. the magnetic field weakens but does not switch off completely, there is no evidence as to a connection between a Geomagnetic Reversal and a Mass extinction, and secondly HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD SOMEONE KNOW ABOUT THE DATA A MAGNETIC FIELD REVERSAL CAN HAPPEN.
Galactic Alignment- Im not even sure what this means anymore, so basically the Earth would align with a Black Hole (or the Sun will as well), blocking the radiation received from the Black Hole. to me that sounds like a good thing, but somehow people have said, well it could be good radiation, sounds stupid to me.
Solar Flares- many people have stated that the Sun will blow up a huge Solar Flare, well from the last thing i’ve heard the Earth is protected by this, by the Magnetic Field, the Atmosphere and the O-Zone layer from all ends of the Suns spectrum, the biggest in History, the Carrington Event, caused no Mass Extinction, and i dont think the Sun can unleash a monstrous, doomsday flare anyway.
Asteroids- we know nearly all of the near earth objects, there trajectory, there orbits, and there most likely future, they are dangerous and sometimes i worry about them but the simple fact is the most dangerous at the moment is Aphobis, and that isnt a risk until 2026, 2036 i think, and there is a 1 in 44,000 chance of a collision.
Tsunamis, Earthquakes- it would have to be one huge Earthquake to destroy the planet, impossible without an external influence.
Planet X (Nibiru, Wormwood, Brown Dwarf)- this defies all laws of Planetary Motion, if there was a huge Planet out there, there would be extremely big influences on the outside and Planets and we would see that, for Pete’s sake, we can tell what type of a Star is 3 billion light years away, and some god knows way we’ve missed a huge Planet, Star, Asteroid whatever, right in our next door, sorry no i dont buy that for a Second.
The world is not going to end, it is a hoax to get attention for the film, the plot is extremely poorly done, but i’ve only read the Wikipedia Entry en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_(film)
i,m a skeptic all right….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJjQMwEjC1I
Only if they wouldn’t be:
1. Contradicting each other.
2. Based on fiction. and fiction includes blatantly wrong translations of ancient texts.
Just to quote Dieter Hildebrand: People, eat shit, millions of flies can’t be wrong!
It is not at all unlike all others in the past. Most “prophecies” have been just moved to 2012, either from the beginning after the Maya claim was created in 1984 (For ex Timewave zero), or after an earlier doomsday passed without anything happening (Nancy Lieder).
The plural of “bullshit” is not “data.”
You ever think that if all you do all day is cut people’s hearts out, you find interest in the sky and notice patterns? If you say That it is in the bible, it is not. It says that only The Father knows. I look at logic. Is it really logical that a group of people can know when the world will end thousands of years in the future? I hear all the time about star alignments. You say that someone killed someone because this star and this star and this other star were lined up. You ever think he did it out of his own head? It is illogical. And it is wikipedia. Plus every generation has thought that they were the last.
No, it is a simple false proof by repetition argument: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Proof#Proof_by_Repetition
“Many of these prophecies seem to be related.”
So? A lot of rumors about Santa Claus seem to be related. What’s that supposed to prove?
The world may end or it may not. It could end tomorrow. No one knows the future. If someone claims to know the future, they would be able to choose the correct lottery numbers the following week and become a millionaire by knowing what the numbers were, not by making a lucky guess.